Battle of St. George's Caye
The Battle of St. George's Caye was a short military engagement that lasted from 3rd September to 10th, 1798, fought off the coast of what is now Belize.However, the name is typically reserved for the final battle that occurred on September 10th.
The battle took place between an invading force from Mexico, attempting to claim Belize for Spain, and a small force of resident woodcutters called Baymen, who fought for their livelihood assisted by black slaves. After the final two and a half hour battle, ravaged by sickness, the Spaniards withdrew and the British declared themselves winners.
The territory that is now Belize was under dispute from as early as the mid 1750s by Great Britain and Spain. While Spain never occupied Belize, she apparently considered it part of her Central American territories, such as Mexico and Guatemala. The British had entered the territory as of 1638 to harvest logwood and later mahogany. Spain recognized this trade in the Treaty of Paris (signed in 1763[1]) but did not undertake to draw boundaries (which would have suggested that Spain was giving up claims of sovereignty to the area), leading to further disputes. Indeed, from 1779 to 1782 the settlement was practically non-existent, its settlers having been deported to Havana, Cuba.
The Treaty of Versailles and the Superintendency
In 1783, hostilities were brought to an end by the signing of the treaty of Versailles, which allowed the Baymen rights between the Belize and Hondo rivers; this was extended with the 1786 Convention of London to the Sibun River. Cutting rights were granted to the settlers on the condition that the settlement be recognized as belonging to Spain; Superintendent Col. Marcus Despard was to administer the terms of the treaty. Due to conflicts with the inhabitants Despard resigned, but by 1796 it was clear the issue would have to be settled.
Baymen's preparations
The Merlin's command in 1798 was Captain John Moss, a strategist on the order of Barrow. By July 18, 1798 the fleet had reached Cozumel, leading the settlers to agree to arm their slaves, an act that affected the outcome of the battle due to the slaves' knowledge of warfare. There were still some who were cautious and demanded evacuation, including Potts, but Balcarres ignored them and imposed martial law on July 26. The Settlement lineup consisted of the following:
“Merlin, HM's sloop of war; two sloops, Towser and Tickler, with one 18 pounder and 25 men each; one sloop, Mermaid, with one short 9 pounder and 25 men; the schooners, Swinger and Teazer, with six four pounders and 25 men each; seven gun-flats, one 9 pounder and 16 men each.” In addition there were 700 troops ready to deter attack by land.
The Battle
From September 3 to 5, the Spaniards tried to force their way through Montego Caye shoal, blocked by the defenders. The military commanders, Moss and Barrow, differed on where to put their resources for the next phase of the fight: Barrow thought they would go to the land phase, while Moss decided on defending St. George's Caye. Moss arrived in time to stop the Spaniards, setting the stage for September 10.
September 10
At 1:00 pm that afternoon, the Spaniards and British lined up off St. George's Caye. The Spaniards stormed through the channel, and at 1:30 engaged the British in a two-hour fight which ended in defeat for the confused Spaniards. Moss reported no one killed and the side in good spirits. Barrow was dispatched and arrived in time to see the end of the battle and prevent the slave men from boarding the enemy. The Spaniards were in full retreat by September 13, and Barrow agreed to send vessels to further push the Spaniards back.
Aftermath
Conditions in Belize did not improve much after the battle, though the threat of Spanish attacks decreased significantly. The event is celebrated every September 10 in Belize as St. George's Caye Day or National Day.
Source: L VF History 6b @ NHL
What is the significance of the Battle of St. George's Caye to the people and nation of Belize?
As a Belizean, I believe the significance of the battle of St. George’s Caye is the fact that we fought to reclaim our country, which was impartial due to Spain’s claim of our land. The slaves who were brought to our country of British Honduras felt comfortable and at home and preferred the masters they had, they worked hand in hand and fought on behalf of their masters while defending their lives. The Battle reduced Spain’s control of the mainland colonies. For us Belizeans, the tenth is another reason to party and get high but it also represents a legitimization of their supremacy in civil service administrative circles of government.
ReplyDeleteThe battle of St George’s Caye represents a triumph to the people and nation of Belize. Thanks to the courage and the indisputable loyalty of the Baymen to our Country, that short military engagement of September 10, 1798, between the Baymen and the Spaniards, served as a landmark. The result of this two-hour fight is the reason why Belizeans are able to cherish this Jewel of ours way up to this day. To me this day is worth commemorating.
ReplyDeleteAs a Belizean the size of the battle of St. George’s Caye and the fact that no one died is insignificant. The true value of the battle of St. George’s Caye lies in the significance of the battle itself. The people who were seen as weak and subjugated were able to overcome their attackers. The small man was able to stand up for what he believes in. Today, more than ever this sentiment should ring true for all Belizeans. It is because of their efforts that we are able to enjoy this jewel we call Belize. I believe like Sharema that today some younger Belizeans are not seeing the true value or significance of the battle instead, they see it as a time to party.
ReplyDeleteI consider the battle of St. George's Caye and all the events leading up to is as a form of patriotism. Is is an indication of the resilience our forefathers displayed. it speaks of their bravery and most of all their loyalty. I believe these qualities that our forefathers possessed are far more important than whether they won a battle or not. It is these patriotic qualities that is so lacking in our society that we need to charter back into the lives of our Belizean people.
ReplyDeleteIt is a very historic event where all Belizean now are proud to celebrate every year because of the braveness and courageous Baymen who fought and won the battle at St. Georges Caye. It was the beginning of the road towards independence for our country. Britain had claim right for the territory of Belize. The people and nation of Belize had also become the only English speaking country in Central America. All the other Caribbean countries are Spanish speaking countries. Belize is populated with multi-cultural ethnicity also and had the opportunity to learn about other people and share our jewels with them as they settled in our country. We can proudly say that we are not governed by Spaniards. We became a democratic country whereby we live peacefully and voice our opinion. The next reason why Belizeans are proud of our victory is that we have the second largest barrier reef in the world. We know that Belize is rich in natural resources and other tourist attraction. The Tourism Industry has been known to bring the most income to our country. Even though we are an Independent country, there are many other countries that are always willing to help us financially.
ReplyDeleteI must add to what Dorita said. It is not only the younger generation party up. Its both the younger and the older generation.
The battle of St. George’s Caye is of great significance because it is a part of our history; it helps to define us as a people. Our ancestors fought for our country and were triumphant. As Belizeans we need to salute the Baymens for defending our great nation. The Battle is considered the heart of our celebrations. One of the results of the battle is that we moved from a settlement to a colony and developed into a recognized and respected nation. If the Baymen didn’t win there wouldn’t be a Belize. Our country would have belonged to a Spanish Colony. Belizeans should feel free to celebrate, we are entitled to this after all the things we have endured and accomplished as small and independent nation. The September Celebration’s Theme sums up the thought, united and proud moving forward I am Belize. I agree with Isela’s comments; that indeed we should cherish this jewel of ours and celebrate our victory.
ReplyDeleteBelizeans are divided when it comes to the significance of the battle of St George’s Caye. A large percentage of the Belizeans have no idea or true knowledge of what took place on September 10, 1798. Another percentage is confused about what really happened. Yet another percentage has very limited information about the so-called battle. As a result some Belizeans consider it a time of rejoicing to commemorate the brave job or act their “fathers the Baymens” did on that said day. Others believe that there was no battle so it shouldn’t be celebrated because nothing really happened. Others just really and truly don’t care and do not partake in any activities promoting the battles. Some celebrate and have no idea what they are celebrating. I am not an advocate of the battle because am not satisfied with the accounts given in our history books. These accounts are vague, contradicting and sound bogus if I may say so. But whether it happen or not it is evidence that the British (settlers) were ready to sacrifice their all for this jewel we call home. So for their act of bravery we do have something to rejoice about because it could have had a different outcome. What kind of country would we be living in today? Would Belize have even existed on the map? So for those reason we should have some kind of appreciation for the Baymen and be thankful that they were willing to stand up for British Honduras.
ReplyDeleteYes I share some of the exact sentiments of Michelle. If the Baymens did not stand up to defend this settlement, as I mentioned earlier, it could have took a turn for the worse and probably we would not have evolved into this nation we call Bellize. After the incident the Spaniards gave up interest in Belize and as a result the settlement evolved into a colony then into a recognized nation. The Baymens could have abandon Belize and went about their rotten business, but they were brave; they stood up and fought, even though it was for their own selfish gains and not so much in the interest of the country nor the black people living here at that time.
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ReplyDeleteThe battle of St. George’s Caye represents the victory of our ancestors. Admittedly, the Spanish forces were very strong but the Baymen were more familiar with the coastal water which was an advantage for the Baymen. This allowed for the Baymen to strategically plan their attack on the Spaniards. This then illustrates to us Belizeans that we can still succeed or stand up for our rights even if we are small in number, as long as we are knowledgeable of what we are doing. Therefore, in my opinion, the battle demonstrates that knowledge is power. Furthermore, if the Baymen had lost then probably there wouldn’t have been a nation called Belize and we could have been in some part of Guatemala or Mexico. “And who knows,” we wouldn’t have been in an independent nation and slavery would not have ended. Thus, the battle of St. George’s Caye gave birth to our nation, Belize.
The battle of St. George's Caye occurred September 10th 1798 in the Caribbean waters surrounding the Caye. The Spanish governments claim of ownership over Belizean territory. During this time it gives way to allow Belize as a nation and people to gain independence. It also creates a new path for freedom and democracy for the people of Belize. Most importantly it defines us as people. Perhaps, if this event did not occur, we would not have an identity as Creole people. For example we would then probably be speaking Spanish originated from the Spaniards, which would then be adopted. We as a people have gained over true identify as Creole and proud Belizeans.
ReplyDeleteThe battle of St. George’s Caye represents the victory of the baymen which took place on September 10th, 1798. Nevertheless, by winning the battle the country had become democratic. This war was needed to make Belize become independent; however, it also made us have an identity (Belizean) - a nation with different races. Without this war probably Belize would had been a different place to live. Since, in the north side Mexico claim for Belize and in the south side Guatemala which up to today’s day they believe that Belize belongs to them. Or perhaps, still be a country with slaves. So then, in my opinion I think it was necessary for the battle to take place to better off Belize; away from slavery, the mistreatment from the British settlers and making the economy improved - the British were destroying our Belize by exporting our treasures – logwood and mahogany. As a nation, we are proud to celebrate the 10th of September every year to remember the historical day.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nora opinion, Belize is a multi-cultural ethnicity country and because of that we are privilege to learn about other cultures.
ReplyDeleteWe are fortunate to have many resources especially the barrier reef, which allow tourist’s to visit our beautiful country of Belize.
Nevertheless, everyone enjoy the freedom that we got from the battle of St. George’s Caye and we Celebrate the day proudly.
Damien,
ReplyDeleteYou said you are “not an advocate of the battle because am not satisfied with the accounts given in our history books. These accounts are vague, contradicting and sound bogus if I may say so” However you were “thankful” that the Baymen were able to defend the territory. To your mind, why are the accounts vague, contradicting and bogus? What accounts of the battle you know of?
Folks, you first need to respond to the blog's question and post-then seperately respond to one of your colleague's post.
ReplyDeleteThis is what one person said about St. George's Caye,"it doesn't have the lure of the other top island destinations like San Pedro and Caye Caulker=there are no high rise hotels,cobblestone streets, or happy hour bars, but what St George's Caye doesn't have in attractions-it has in history." The battle of St. George's Caye on the 10th day of September some almost 212 years ago,paved the way for the coming of a new nation, called Belize.The victory of our ancestors,the Baymen have made us proud. After that victory,never again did the invading force returned. To all Belizeans, the significance of this day, 10th September, is of a moment of great Glory that lives on from generation to generation, the historic battle,giving the first Independence to our beautiful country.
ReplyDeleteI like Elsita's comment very much. After reading that, I felt even more proud to be a Belizean. How true, if it were not for the battle of St. George's Caye,who knows what this nation would have been and what would have happened to our many cultures.What role would the creole have played under a Spanish rule. We are Belize.
ReplyDeleteThe Battle of St. George’s Caye has been a cause for much brouhaha, division and had engendered to apartheid in all forms. The truth of the matter is that this ado will continue to give rise to more controversy and conflict among our Belize populist. However, for a moment allow me to be patriotic. The Battle of St. George’s Caye in mind marks the birth of a new nation that would later be called Belize; furthermore, the 21st of September 1981 only reaffirms the territorial integrity and sovereignty of this country. The worst defeat any country can experience is a defeat against the self (Plato the Laws). Whenever, as a country and a people we cannot romance over a fact that should make us one people with one common identity, then we are well on our way to self destruction. We must embrace the things that make us one people despite our creed, race, or economic status. Let’s sober our minds over one fact that we are Belize, and the Battle of St. George’s Caye gave all of us our identity.
ReplyDeleteThe Battle of St. George’s Caye is a very significant milestone in the lives of the Belizean people. The Battle is the reason why there is a country called Belize. This knowledge of what took place on September 10, 1798 with the settlement then known as Belize gives us insight into what the atmosphere was like during this time.
ReplyDeleteThe battle helps us to understand the whole concept of patriotism, that if you have love for your country you would stand up for your country. We are able to see that even though these slaves endure a terrible life under their slave masters they were still able to come together and fight for what they deem to be theirs.
Along with the above we are able to better understand why the Guatemalans are fighting endless in their claim of Belize. I think it is very enlightening to know that Spain was the mother of these countries in Central America. Knowing this leaves me with the impression that maybe Spain is the one giving the spark in whole claim by Guatemala on Belize. Maybe this is there way of trying to win the battle.
Yes, I am aware that this whole claim came about because of a treaty that was signed by Britain with England, but I still believe that maybe Spain is still fueling Guatemala in their quest.
Again I believe it is significantly important that people are aware of all the circumstances that led up to the Battle of St. George’s Caye for it will shed some light on where we are as a country, where we are going and where we need to go.
I whole heartedly agree with Barbara and her notion that none these islands can compare to St. George’s Caye and its rich history. Think about it, if it was not for the Baymen winning this battle, life on these islands would not be what we it to be. What is soothing though, is the fact that our leaders seem to be noticing how important this little island is in Belize’s development when they made an historical site, protecting it under the laws of our country.
ReplyDeleteThe 1798 Battle of St. George's Caye became an integral part in the History for the nation and people of Belize. This historical battle gave Belize it's identity and a sense of direction, because as a people with a past you will definitely have a future. The St. George's Caye Battle that was fought by our forefathers became a stepping stone for Belize in achinving it's Independence in 1981.
ReplyDeletePRIMILEE: said the significance of the Battle of St. George's Caye to the people of Belize and to the Nation is that we the people are honoring Belize's 1798 defeat of the Spaniards in battle, the country celebrates with street festivals and a reenactment of the battle at the actual site.
ReplyDeleteI asked my students this week,” how would Belize be different if the Spaniards had won the battle?” I will share some of their responses. We would all be speaking Spanish; we would eat tortilla and beans every day; there would be no Belize; half of Belize would be Mexico and half would be Guatemala; we would all be slaves.
ReplyDeleteIt is my perception that enough emphasis is not placed on the Battle of St. George’s Caye. The Baymen had been living in the settlement since 1638, harvesting logwood. They had been attacked by the Spaniards numerous times. They were driven from the settlement and even taken as prisoners to the dungeons of Havana. What was the feeling that pervaded the settlers each time they were attacked by the Spaniards? What drove them to return each time? Was it the profits from their trade or the love of the land?
I was fortunate to witness the re-enactment of the first Public Meeting in June. It was held to decipher what was to be done about the oncoming attack of the Spaniards. Many of the British Settlers wanted to return to England, their homeland, but the majority voted to defend the settlement, their home. It was with vigor, pride and devotion that the Baymen and Slaves fought for this country that we now know as Belize.
The significance of the battle lies in the struggle. This struggle was not only about 1798, it is also about us today. We are wrestling to get back our little Belize; a land where we once roamed free, now we are trapped in our homes behind bars. Like the Baymen, we should not settle for defeat. They Baymen saw the country’s worth and so must we. Like the Baymen we must be prepared to fight over and over again until we gain the victory.
Who would we be if the battle had not occurred? There are two options: we would still be constantly driven from our homes today, or we would be under Spain’s command. One might ask, “What difference would it make?” Indeed, we would still have been colonized, and most likely we still would have obtained our Independence – like Mexico, Guatemala and all the other countries colonized by Spain. What we would have lost is our identity- the freedom that Belize provides and the diversity of the Belizean people.
It was this freedom that encouraged the immigration of the Mestizos, the Garinagu, the East Indian, the Chinese and the Mennonites. It is this freedom that makes our country so rich in culture, diverse, friendly, free.
What did the Baymen win on September 10, 1798? They won freedom to live in Belize, freedom to harvest their wood, freedom to be. They also won the identity of the Belizean people; the sweet sound of Creole; the many dishes, dances and music. They won Belize – the Belize that we know and love today. So as the song says: It is the Baymen’s courage that makes this land my own. I’m proud of such a heritage and glad to make it known.
Jacquelene: It has always been a debate whether the Battle if St. George's Caye really happened. I believe that if it didn't happen there would not be stories about his battle that took place. Stories and facts state that something happened that led us to celebrate the 10th of September. Even if it was exaggerated, facts show that the Spaniards did try to conquer the Baymen. And in order for Belize to not be owned by Guatemala or Mexico; the Baymen must have won. This battle gave us victory as a country and as a people. And it made our country and its belizeans very proud of the victory our ancestors experienced on September 10th 1798.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Lisa, because if he Baymens didn't gain victory on the 10th of September 1798, Belize would have probably been part of Mexico and Guatemala. Belize would have an owner and the Baymen would have been slaves. Or maybe they would have chased them out of the country. I personally think that teachers need to be more equipped to teach this topic. And I feel that our children need to know what took place on St. Georges Caye Day.
ReplyDeleteThe significance of the battle is that it is a day when the Spaniards who had claimed the settlement for spain were defeated in an hour and a half battle by the baymen and had never again returned.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Prmilee that we as Belizean are honoring the Baymen's victory over the Spaniards and their claim to the settlement . Which helps us to appreciate what we have today . It gave us a historic value.
ReplyDeleteHats off to you Michelle! You are correct.
ReplyDelete• As Belizeans we need to salute the Baymens for defending our great nation.
• If the Baymen didn’t win there wouldn’t be a Belize.
• Thanks to the Baymen; we moved from a settlement to a colony and developed into a recognized and respected nation.
I have to agree with Damien. While the history of Belize is so rich and diverse, many of us do not appreciate its true value. This is partly due to ignorance. So often I try to find information on topics in our Belizean history that will create an exciting atmosphere for my students. More often than not, I have to rely on works written by foreigners to give me a second hand account of what happened in my country. Books by Belizeans are so rare and not easily available. Although I am an avid reader, there is so much that I do not know; so much that is unrecorded. When I think about people like Fred Hunter and Hon. George Price, to name a few, who are advanced in age and knowledge, I wonder what the next generation will know of their legacy. It is the same with the battle. We read about it; we teach it, but yet its true significance is often ignored. I believe that most of us do not even commemorate September 10 anymore, as the politicians have changed it into a celebration of themselves rather than the Baymen’s victory. Belizeans, we must fight to keep the spirit of the Baymen alive for future generations. If our citizens were more patriotic, we would show love for ourselves and others and Belize would be the jewel that it once was.
ReplyDeleteThe Battle of St. George's Caye (its history) to many seem to be of very little significance any more. 45 - 50 years ago the expression was given that this was a great battle for which the British and their slaves fought to keep the little from the Spaniards. Our impression was that this was done against Spaniards from Spain rather than Mexicans for Spain. 237 on sea and 700 on land (937) might appear very little but considering this size of the colony at that time for them this could have been a very great war considering the percentage of their population involved. The end of this battle apparently gave the British rights to claim and consequently after becoming a British colony of course, with the aid of the black slaves, of whom most or almost all of Belizean Creole are descendants. If the battle wasn't fought and won then the treaty was not made. Our independence from the British was a hoax and we are still the Spaniards'. And though the Guats didn't fight for their mother land they have a right now to claim their inheritance. Belize and St. George's Caye only is for us!
ReplyDeleteEvery year we come together to celebrate the victory that occurred so many years ago at the Battle of St. George's Caye!!! We set an entire day aside to celebrate what our ancestors has made possible for us. But what real significance do we place on the reason why we celebrate St. George's Caye Day? I think the importance of this day have somewhat decrease and what is to be the main focus has been placed vividly in the borderlines of the background. Yes, it is nice that we come together and celebrate as Belizeans but we should also never forget the reason of this holiday and keep in the fore front of our minds what is most important. Our children learn in school about what the history is all about!! Let us continue to 'be' Belize and keep the important things in our hearts and instill them in the hearts of our children. We place too little significance on the reason for this day!!! Lets always remember what our ancestors fought for!
ReplyDeleteAlthough many dispute on the actual battle of St. George's Caye, Belizeans have come to embrace it as part of our history. It gives us something to believe in and a sense of belonging regardless of what might have actually taken place. And , we get a day off to celebrate this significant event because if it did or didn't happen, Belize as we know it might not have been. We should celebrate the battle of St. George's Caye Day with pride for what it represents for the people of this country.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Ms. Isela that the battle is indeed a triumphant event that took place which depicted the Baymen’s loyalty. Yes, this is a time worth celebrating because if it wasn’t for that brave act of the Baymen, then Belize probably wouldn’t have been where it is today. So, by taking out a day to celebrate such an event is showing love and appreciation not only to our forefathers but also to us and our country. But as Helen said, having bravery and loyalty is far more important than winning the battle. Admittedly, many Belizeans have lost focus of the true meaning behind the September celebration; instead we find it as a time to party, get high and drunk which at times lead to violent behaviour. But if these qualities, as Ms. Helen mentioned, are instilled or brought back to our Belizeans, starting from our leaders, then we would have unity, power and a sense that we are not alone fighting a lost battle.
ReplyDeleteI believe in the pure essence of theology which entailed using information and testing information with physical evident to draw a conclusion. The significance of the battle of St George’s Caye to ones nation and its people Belize is to bestow such identity as Belizeans. The chronological sequence of the battle from September 3 to the 13, 1798 prolong a vivid picture in my mind due to several eye witness report which does not add up. When you think of a settlement which entailed of a large number of African slave who have been ambushed from their mother land and have journey through the treacherous triangle trade route that is from Europe to Africa, from Africa to Americas and the back to Europe. In no form of fashion will you place such power such as guns and amours in the hand of the slave, who thinks of the slave master as brutal and cruel to fight or defend a country or settlement in such a magnitude. The first human instinct is to use such power that was given to you to defend a settlement on the said British and slave master. In conclusion, Battle of St George’s Caye is a telepathy tale from 1798 to present. This information is bestowed and recycles from generation to generation. In the same manner the said battle can be related to religion which is such bestow upon ones child.
ReplyDeleteCrystal:The significance of the Battle is that it represents a foundation for the country’s historical achievements. It is significant to the people because of the fact that our victory then allows us to be stronger now, especially when the battle is in defense of our country’s possessions. If the Baymen never fought with the Spaniards and defeat them, Belize would have been a Spanish speaking country. And so because of the success of the Battle of St. George’s Caye we are given territorial respect and have been recognize worldwide for our victory.
ReplyDeleteThe Battle of St. George’s Caye Day is of unique significance to Belize because it marks a deliberate act on the parts of the inhabitants to continue the occupation of what would later become Belize. In essence, it is a figurative first step towards nation hood! As a proud Belizean, united with my fellow people of this country I am very proud that we fought tremendously to claim our territory. The Battle of St. George’s Caye is a very historical event in our country Belize for it was said to be the final battle that took place on September 10th 1798. These Mexicans were trying to claim my home land Belize for Spain. But the Baymen who were just a small group of wood cutters assisted by the black slaves showed them that we will stand up for what is ours. The Spaniards withdrew from the fight and that’s the reason for the season. “United and proud, moving forward I am Belize”. We should be so proud because these people did not occupy our country and we have been considered as a part of Central America as well Guatemala and Mexico, our neighbors looking at us moving forward. The British entered this territory and introduced the mahogany and logwood. So, we should be grateful and appreciate our logwood beds, chairs, china closet etc that beauty our homes today. We learnt that treaties were signed to bring the pain of hostility to an end and that is why the British gained their right between two bordering rivers namely Belize and Rio Hondo Rivers. So, we understand why these Guatemalans fight endlessly to claim our home land Belize. I think it is very remarkable that our Baymen had to prepare for these Spaniards were not satisfy with the occurrence. So, the martial law came into effect on July 26. Belizeans should pay respect to our patriots of Belize. We should practice being patriotic and show some respect when singing the anthem. Much thanks to Mr. Moss who arrived in time to stop these Spaniards and allowing us to celebrate September 10th. Moss was like William Neal that we have now to report what is happening in our nation Belize. These Spaniards were like me! They never gave up! They came in full force. Sad to say the conditions did not improve significantly after the battle. I still believe that Spain is stroking Guatemala in the fight. However, all the instances led up the St.George’s Caye Day shed some light on the road to success for our country Belize.
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ReplyDeleteCrystal:I Agree with Primilee because if the Baymens were not victorious during the Battle, Belize would have been a Spanish speaking country, control by the Spaniards and we wouldn’t have been celebrating 212 years of victory and that’s why I am Belize.
ReplyDeleteI must agree with Julia because it is a milestone in our lives as Belizeans. That’s the reason why we are called Belizeans and our country is named Belize. We could have envisioned the setting at that time, what the environment looked like. We should try to be patriots to our country and show respect when singing the national anthem. Standing tall and hands at attention while doing so. Understand what these slaves went through and how they were treated by their maters. It is like a sequence that one thing led to the next. It definitely shed some light on where the country is at the moment and where we heading in the next 10 years to come. However, I believe must say that I totally agree with your comments and mostly that the Spain was the one that stroke Guatemala to this quest for our land Belize.
ReplyDeleteI believe that the Battle of St. George's Caye is very significant to Belize's History for many reasons. I have heard may stories about how the whole story of the Battle is all a myth.Well i is up to us to believe what we want, because never-the-less the whole country, in general, still celebrate that day. I gave an assignment to my class last week to find out why are we given a national holiday on September 10th, and why it is important to the history of Belize. There were several different answers. Is very interesting to hear some of the answers the students brought back to school the next day. One of the most interesting and common answer I got back was: "The Battle of St. George's Caye is important to Belize's History because it makes us who we are today." When I ask the question why they say it makes us who we are today some answers were: we wouldn't exist if the Baymen had lost the battle; there wouldn't be a country call Belize;it teaches us that we should fight for what belong to us; and it make us appreciate our country more. I totally agree with all the\at answers my students said. If it wasn't for the Battle, I would even have to be doing this assignment right now. Even if the battle never happen, the myth about it still teaches us a valuable lesson. I helps us as Belizeans to unite and show love and respect to our country.
ReplyDeleteEbony: I totally agree with what you said about "The significance of the battle of St George’s Caye to ones nation and its people Belize is to bestow such identity as Belizeans". Yes there is a lot of negativity in the story of the battle, but yet Belizeans tend to over look them all. I guess they are too excited due to all the celebrations and festivities going on. If we are to teach in our classrooms that the battle is just a made up story and instill all these negativeness in our students head, then we might just end up having a battle indeed. "A Battle for the Battle of St. George's Caye."
ReplyDeleteAs Belizeans, we should realize the critical significance of the Battle of St. George’s Caye. Although our interpretations about the battle may vary, we must succumb to the realization that the battle was a key aspect into molding our identities as true Belizean citizens. The Baymen, with the help of the slaves, were able to defeat the Spaniards by standing firm, united and proud. If the Baymen did not defeat the Spaniards, I believe that we would not be the functional independent nation we are today thriving with success and development. Thus, we need to stand united and proud together as we model true “patriotism” for our country. Only then can our nation reach greater lengths in today’s arena!
ReplyDeleteSherdah: After reading Sherdah's comment, I fully agree with her position stating that even though there are disputes about the battle, we need to embrace it as part of our history. In my opinion, I fully stand firm in stating that even with our various interpretations about the battle, it does represents us as Belizeans! Without the battle, our true sense of identity would be lost. It is in our best interest to accept the battle as a significant aspect in our lives and to celebrate this event with passion and integrity!
ReplyDeleteI believe this battle is a great significance to the people and nation of Belize because it is a historical achievement and it has become part of our history and culture. Although there are many disputes concerning the Battle, we should be proud of our forefathers who fought and defended this great nation called Belize. Although the Spaniards forces were strong, this shows that the British were smarter because they were familiar with the coastal waters which brought victory to our nation. If the British did not won the Battle who knows what kind of Nation we would have become. This victory also paved way for Belize’s Independence from the British. As the theme says for this year Celebration as Belizeans we should be United and proud moving forward I am Belize.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Leticia, as Belizeans we need to be proud of our heritage. Although the Battle has been ridiculed by some and disputed by others we cannot deny the fact that there was a confrontation, however little it may have been, and the Baymen were victorious. As a child I was very proud, and am still proud, to be a Belizean and unless one of the people who were actually at the Battle comes back and tell me that nothing happened I will still believe in that historical Battle. We need to raise our flags high and be proud to be Belizeans. Belize is a free Nation and we are not being oppressed, we are not in a constant state of war and to some extent we still have freedom of speech. Enjoy your September celebrations and remember “We are all Belize”.
ReplyDeleteThe battle of St George’s Coye represent a turning point in Belize’s history was slaves and Baymen stood side by side to defend the settlement of British Honduras. If this was not done our culture and identity would not be as it is today. The language that we speak would not exist, the nice rice and beans chicken and salad that we eat every Sunday would probably be replace by some other food and Belize would not be and independent county only a colony of Spain
ReplyDeleteI agree with the comments of Isela that the battle of St George’s Caye represents a triumph for the people of Belize and the nation although is a short military engagement it serves as a land mark in Belize’s history. It is in line with the comments that I made and it was short and to the point.
ReplyDeleteThe battle of St. George’s Caye is of great significance to me as a Belizean. This is definately so for many people living in Belizean territories and those living abroad.
ReplyDeleteAs true Belizean patriots we should give enormous credit and honour to those Baymen and slaves who fought for our beautiful nation, that we now call our own, Belize.
That Battle gave us an identity as Belizeans. We may have not shed blood and lost lives in our quest to free our land from the Spaniards, but we stood shoulder to shoulder, determined and focused, opened minded that Belize is ours, Land of the Free by the Carib Sea.
I agree with Nicole’s point of view. The battle of St. George’s Caye gave birth to our nation, Belize. It was definitely a victory of our forefathers who were knowledgeable of what they were doing. Thanks to them we are now a recognized and known nation all around the earth!
ReplyDeleteI agree with Nicole’s point of view. The battle of St. George’s Caye gave birth to our nation, Belize. It was definitely a victory of our forefathers who were knowledgeable of what they were doing. Thanks to them we are now a recognized and known nation all around the earth!
ReplyDeleteDorita, should we say the fact that no one died is very significant? Because not many countries were able to obtain their independence without blood shed! That was terrific! Maybe this was where Rt. Hon. George Price got the idea of a peaceful constructive Belizean Revolution
ReplyDeleteThe decision of our forefathers to decline the option of retreat to Jamaica, their de3cision to stay and defend the fledgling settlement, and their decision to fight for the right to establish their own homeland is of paramount and consequential historical significance to all of us who call Belize our home.
ReplyDeleteIt was that decision that has us speaking our own version of English rather than Spanish, it was that decision that made this country a haven for refugees seeking freedom under the law and protection from persecution, it was that decision that gave this land to us and it was that decision that gave birth to the modern and ethnically diverse nation we call Belize. That decision was truly the most defining moment in the early history of our country.
Outcomes of winning the battle are:
1. It was the last attempt by the Spanish to try to claim our home land. In 1779 after a surprise attack, the Spanish to hostages to Cuba and some years later, released them. Thus, the treaty of Versailles came to be.
Armed with the HMS Merlin, a 16 six pounder cannon ship, the fate of the settlement would surely have been annihilated by the Spanish ship, Armada. Because of discord among themselves, running into sand flats, infection with yellow fever or dysentery, narrow channels, Belize’s barrier reef system and the defense mounted on them, the Spanish were retreated and never returned again after that day, 10th September, 1798.
2. A permanent settlement was established. During the 18th century, a pattern was emerging where a result of rivalry with Spain the British were slowly being forced out of the Central American mainland. As was the case in Belize, a few British settlers had taken up residence and had taken up extraction of logwood and mahogany.
The settlement was exposed to Spanish harassment and efforts to have them expelled for fear of their growth into permanent settlements. As a result, the settlers in Belize were living in an endangered land. The settlers used the “retreat and return” strategy. When they were displaced by the Spanish, they simply returned after the Spanish had left. After the battle, that was no longer the case – the settlers took up permanent residence.
3. That decision made Belize a haven for refugees seeking freedom from persecution. In 1847, many Mestizo families came to Belize as refugees seeking freedom from the Caste War.
In 1818, disbanded soldiers from the West Indies arrived to work the mahogany gangs. As a result of the influx of different ethnicities, Belize is now known as a culturally diverse nation.
4. Had Spain won the battle, we would’ve gotten our independence from Spain and we would’ve been a Spanish speaking country instead of the only English speaking country in Central America. In my opinion, we would’ve also become a part of Guatemala.
5. In those days, the only way to claim a territory was treaties and conquests. Because Belize conquered the Spanish, they first acknowledged their defeat by recording it. Next, in 1859, the Anglo-Guatemalan treaty was signed, admitting British sovereignty over Belize and agreeing to the boundaries as we know them today. These series of events was then set in motion:
1862 – The settlement of Belize was declared a colony and then named British Honduras.
1858 – 1861 – the Honduras Land Titles Act was passed to allow land to be sold even if the legal title to it couldn’t be proven.
1864 – Self Government.
1871 – Belize was declared a crown colony after assembly dissolved itself.
1981 – Independence, Belize became a member of the Commonwealth, United Nations and the Non-Aligned Movement. We also signed the Heads of Agreement in this year.
Conclusion:
The battle of St. George’s Cay gave birth to our country, Belize. So, as a people we must be proud of our legacy….the Baymen decided to forge forward and that is the reason why we are here today, existing. On their shoulders we stand and it’s because of them that we are able to say… ’United and Proud Moving Forward I Am Belize.’
I’m somewhat in agreement with Damien’s comments I’ve heard conflicting stories about the battle. I’ve heard that there was hand to hand combat with pock-o-no boy sticks when in fact, there was no such thing. I’ve also heard that the Spanish was inflicted with yellow fever when in fact it was dysentery. Though these are insignificant, it still proves the fact that parts of the story has been skewed. The fact remains though the battle did indeed occur and that is the catalyst of our existence
ReplyDeleteMost definitely Miss Helen, I do agree with you but it is a fact that the patriotic significance is missing from the lives of our Belizeans. It is our responsibilities to break that trend and begin to instil in the younger generation the pride, honour and respect we should have for our ancestors and to be Belizeans. Bringing back some of the simple qualities that our forefathers had so that the upcoming generation may know that is not just the battle that we won, which makes us proud. But it is the way in which they stood strongly for the country and fought off the Spaniards, so that we can have a better, peaceful and a more respected Belize.
ReplyDeleteThe significance of the Battle of St. George’s Caye is to celebrate the bravery of the British men, who were without hesitation, to fight for our country. Even though it was a small amount of them they were still able to win the battle and claim the country. Moreover, the battle signifies victory and the start of new Belizean people who cared enough to risk their lives and the lives of their families to gain the respect of their native land. Who knows what would have happened if we didn’t win that battle. This battle sent a message to the rest of the world that, Belize was and still is Belize and we will not let it go without a fight. Or this is what we should be saying.
ReplyDeleteAm confused because isn’t this the same thing that our country is going through among ourselves? It is truly a controversy why the battle was important. Some of us still don’t know the right reason for that battle and some of us remain silent when we hear the things happening in the country. This was not the behaviour of the British men who fought for the country. But it was the exact opposite. So why are we not acting like we care for the country. Maybe some of us need to think back at what it was like and what it would have been like if we didn’t win the battle. Would we still be slaves? Would we be Spanish? Would there have been someone else that would have came to fight us for the land? We will never know but what we do know is that they did win the battle and we should show appreciation for that, at lease.
The battle of St. George’s Caye was an honourable battle that was based on bravery, honour and wisdom. Are we then saying that the democracy that we are facing in our jewel, Belize, cannot be fought? Is it that we are not as brave, honourable and wise to fight those criminals off to regain the native land? The baymen stood in unison for the country why can’t we. To conclude, the battle of St. George’s Caye made way for us to be and be strong, so let us do just that.
“United and strong we are Belize.”
I believe the Battle of St. George's Caye signifies bravery between the Baymen and the Spaniards. The Battle of St. George's Caye was a short military engagement that lasted from the 3rd to 10th September, 1798. Even though the Spaniards had more vessels and men, the Baymen stilL defeated due to superior defensive position, prior planning, and strategic positioning fended off the Spaniards attempts at invasion. We as Belizeans should honour this holiday and have great respect for the Baymen for their bravery and persistence. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't have been here today. Thanks to our forefathers!
ReplyDeleteShawna, I totally agree with you. Some Belizeans only the see the importance of the battle as a day of rest, to party, or happy to be away from school, work, etc. But this is a day that we should honour and take into consideration. The battle is what made us true Belizeans and true citizens.
ReplyDeletewhat are the two different interpretations of the battle??
ReplyDeletedoes anyone know?/